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If you were born before the year 2025,

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you experienced childhood trauma.

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You are listening to the sex addiction podcast

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for high achievers, business professionals, executives, and entrepreneurs.

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This podcast is designed to apply sobriety and

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recovery principles specifically to the mindset of the

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high achiever. I'm your host, Roland Cochran, founder

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of The Successful Addict, a recovery group for

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high achieving men struggling with sex and porn

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addiction. For more information about joining our group

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or attending our next retreat, visit successfuladdict.com.

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And now, enjoy the rest of the episode.

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I'm gonna say that again. If you were

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born before 2025,

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a k a everyone listening to this,

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you experienced childhood trauma.

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And, you know, it's it's one of those

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things. Right? We hear the word trauma and

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we think that we had bad parents, abusive

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parents. Right? Verbal abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse.

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You know, they call those big t traumas.

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But, you know, my definition of trauma, and

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I've bounced this off of a ton of

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therapists

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and they all like my definition.

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My definition of trauma is anything that alters

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the natural course of who you are supposed

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to become. Right? So anything that alters that.

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Right? So somebody could give you advice.

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Somebody could give you advice, good advice,

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right, to become, you know, get into some

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sort of successful career and become extremely wealthy.

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Right? Buy everything in the world. Right? Win

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all these awards.

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That could be trauma. Now hear me out

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here. Why do I say that? Well, because

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let's say you were supposed to become

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a musician or a poet

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or, maybe you were supposed to open up

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a daycare.

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Maybe you had a passion of of having

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a fly fishing company or a rafting, company

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where you would take people rafting down the

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Colorado River. You know, whatever it is, if

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if that was your dream, that's the thing

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that lights you up inside.

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And then your mentors, your parents,

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you know, television idols,

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icons, influencers, whatever. If these people convince you

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that you will be happier, that you will

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be,

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more connected, and you'll have more friends and

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more people will like you if you became

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a lawyer, doctor,

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Wall Street,

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stock trader?

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that influenced you to go that route because

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you listened to them. Right? Oh, I wanna

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have more friends. I want to, win more

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awards. I want people to remember my name.

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alter the natural course of where you were

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going to go, the person you were born

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to become.

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That is trauma. That is trauma. It's none

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of those people's business. They should stay out

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of your business. I always say this. Parents

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should keep you from dying, keep you from

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getting arrested, and keeping you from having a

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child before you're ready ready to have a

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child. Those three things,

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arresting,

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having a kid, or dying. Outside of that,

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stay out of your kid's business. Here's the

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thing. You know, we we see these bad

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kids, rebellious kids, breaking the rules, whatever.

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learned. You know, here's the thing that we

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know about all humans. Humans don't ever intentionally

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do anything to harm themselves. Right? They would

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never jeopardize their their their full potential

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or harm the potential of another person. Humans

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just don't do that. A healthy human whose,

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you know, brain's operating correctly, they don't hurt

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themselves, they don't hurt others.

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So if we see somebody intentionally hurting themselves

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or it looks like intentionally and we see

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somebody maybe hurting another person, you know, your

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first instinct shouldn't be to judge that individual.

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You should ask what the heck happened to

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them to get them to make that decision.

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Right? And it's it's part of the reason

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why, you know, I I get I get

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so fired up when I when I see

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people judging,

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or or talking poorly about somebody struggling with

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sexually compulsive behavior, porn addiction, sex addiction. You

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know, really lights me up because,

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I'm I run groups

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full of very successful men who give give

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their income

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to different charitable causes. Right? They're on boards

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of nonprofits. I mean, these are good people.

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community. They care about their family, their spouse.

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Right? So to cast judgment on this individual

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based off of their actions and say that,

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oh, that's a that's a measure of their

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character, I just completely simply simply I disagree.

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I think I think people's actions are a

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byproduct of their upbringing, their environment,

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the people who are around them. You know,

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it's it's a byproduct of the things that

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influence them. I I don't think it's a

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reflection of their character. I think that's extremely

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inaccurate. But back to kind of the trauma

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piece. Right? We talk about this in the

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in the sex addiction world that, you know,

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most,

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if not all people with compulsive sexual behavior

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came from their childhood trauma. Right? You'll hear

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that over and over again.

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And it's true, but I think a big

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barrier is the word trauma. You know, There's

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so many people who think, oh, I had

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great parents.

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I used to say that. I always said,

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oh my gosh, I had great parents because

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they loved me, they did everything. We were

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poor, but they did everything

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that

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they could,

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even despite

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how how poor we were, to have us

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have a good life.

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complete nonsense. Right? Just because they loved me

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and just because they wanted to love me

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doesn't mean that they did a good job.

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Right? And I think the most common trauma,

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especially amongst high achievers and successful men

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is a is a performance based household. And

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you'll and you'll see you'll see two different

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kinds of parents with successful men. Right? It's

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either a a performance based household full of

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what people would call good parents. Right? You

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know, maybe they're fine they have financial means,

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you know, they're home a lot, they're attending

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all their kids' sporting events, they're coming to

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all the kids' after school activities,

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you know, they're very involved in their kids'

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lives,

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you know, the the the child's under the

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impression that, oh, wow, I have great parents.

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their own horn. Right? They're bragging about, oh,

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I would never miss any of your sport

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games, honey, or, oh, you know, all those

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other parents, they they're very, very busy and

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they work and we don't do that. We

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spend time with you guys. We wanna go

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on great family vacations. Right? So a lot

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of the times these parents are kind of

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reinforcing

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that their parenting strategy is the best parenting

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strategy or or a good parenting strategy. But

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again, I I think that just depends on

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the measure. Right? You know, if if the

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measurement of good parenting is how many wealthy

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kids and financially successful kids that you can

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okay, then maybe they were good parents if

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that's the measure.

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what's more important? A child who grows up

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to become financially independent and is able to

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retire in their late forties, is that really

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success?

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What if they're miserable? What if they're empty

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inside? Right? What if they end you know,

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spend their whole whole life selling something or

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or doing a career that they hated,

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a bunch of money. Is is that a

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successful life? Is that what you want for

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your children? Right? So when we're thinking about

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us, wherever you're listening to this, right, you

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know, when we're wondering, hey. Why am I

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engaging in this unwanted behavior? Why am I

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why have I become addicted to sex or

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pornography? How did I get to this point

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where I'm paying for sex, hiring prostitutes, using

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women, run nightstands, cheating on my wife?

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It is from the child from your childhood

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trauma. Now, you know, this is a huge

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rabbit hole, and we could talk about this

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for days and days and days. I mean,

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I could have an entire podcast around

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childhood trauma and and and the sex addiction

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and porn addiction that would follow. But my

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point of this particular recording was to just

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open everyone's eyes to the fact that, you

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know, I don't I don't think there's a

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a a person out there who didn't experience

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a degree of trauma. Right? And they had

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to course correct. You know? And some of

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them had great parents and maybe they accidentally

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traumatized their kids by, you know,

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forcing their beliefs on them or over and

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overly encouraging them to go do something and

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then they think, ah, shoot. Should we have

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really forced them to do that? Right? Was

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that kind of wrong? And then you can

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always course correct, but that but those are

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but those are still traumas even if you

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course correct. Right? Somebody knocking you off the

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course because you feel like you would be

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more loved or a better person,

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that's traumatic. That's not your course.

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become you. Right? Figure out what your unique

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abilities are, what your passions are, the things

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that motivate you so you can live this

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really life filled,

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fulfilled life that's full of, you know, abundance

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and opportunity. Right? That's their job. But we

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don't do that. Right? Between school, television,

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you know, the the the different, influencers out

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there on social media, there's so much information

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coming at people these days convincing them who

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they need to become. Right? And so it's

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it's to the point where, you know, we

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don't raise kids to think independently. We we

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raise them

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to be successful, to, you know, fulfill their

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full potential

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according to us. Right? Our definition of success,

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our definition of a good life. But that's

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not our job. Right? So so to come

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back to kind of how this affects,

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men, right, it's

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a bunch of different ways. Right? If you're

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led to believe that the more money you

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accumulate and the less debt you have, that

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that makes you a good person, that's the

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measure of a good life, then you're going

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to put a ton of focus on that.

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Right? And that could create other voids in

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your life. Right? You might spend too much

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time working and not enough time,

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connecting with others or or get, giving love

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or receiving love from others. And so what's

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it gonna do? What's that what's that void

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you're gonna

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going to turn into? Well, it could turn

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into a sex and porn addiction. It could

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turn into a substance addiction. It could turn

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into,

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a series of divorces and broken relationships from

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your inability to connect. Right? Let's use another

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example. Let's say that,

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let's say that you, your girlfriend broke up

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with you when you were 12 years old

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and she decided to date your best friend.

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And your best friend was more muscular than

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you, he was more tan than you, his

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teeth looked better than you, his parents were

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rich and your parents were poor. Right? That

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breakup could carry with it a very significant

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conclusion. Right? You could draw your you could

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draw a conclusion that she left you because

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your parents didn't have enough money. Right? She

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left you because your clothes weren't the right

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brands. Right? Your clothes weren't nice enough. Right?

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I mean, who knows the story that this

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12 year old boy is gonna tell himself

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about why his girlfriend left him and chose

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his best friend. But again, that story he

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tells himself is trauma.

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I think, you know, and that's what I

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really what I really wanted to get at

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here was I lived my whole life

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thinking that I was not traumatized, that I

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had a perfect childhood. And the dangers of

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that is that anything that screwed up is

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your fault. You blame yourself.

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Right? That's where the shame comes in. I

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am a bad person. I'm a stupid person.

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I'm a irresponsible

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person, whatever the story may be. And that's

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your conclusion based off of the data that

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you're getting. And that's that's what we're talking

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about here with trauma. It's I I want

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everyone to stop thinking about the big t

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traumas. Right? Sex abuse, physical abuse, verbal abuse,

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and think about just lessons that you would

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learn. You know, one of the one of

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the stories I always tell people about my

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own trauma was

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I, we had this we had this very

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wealthy family friend. And I was over at

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his house, and he was up in his

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office. And he said, hey, Roland. Come over

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here.

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And he showed me his computer, and his

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computer had all these red and green numbers.

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And he was showing me, hey. See all

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the green on there? You know, that's that's

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how much money I made. And he was

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saying he said, hey. While you since you

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and your family have been here, we were

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only there for an hour. He said, since

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you and your family were here, I've made

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$18,000

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doing nothing. Right? And he was he was

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trying to teach me about the concept of

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compound interest, right, and and investing in the

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stock

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market. And,

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while he meant well,

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I all I heard was, wow. This guy

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knows way more than my poor dad knows.

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Right? So I'm I I and everybody loves

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this guy. Right? Here he is. We're at

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his 13 bedroom mansion

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for this for this party. He's got everybody

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over. Everybody loves this guy. He always throws

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the best parties.

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Everybody at church, you know, love this guy.

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Right? They looked at him differently than they

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looked at everybody else. So what was the

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story that I was telling myself as a

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young man?

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Watching that, I was thinking, wow.

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If I'm gonna become a somebody,

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I need to learn how these red and

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green these red and green numbers work. Right?

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And so that that was trauma.

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Right? If he had not gone there and

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encouraged me to, hey, Roland, you need to

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figure this out if you're gonna become a

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somebody. He didn't quite say that, but that

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was kind of what was insinuated was look

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how special I am. Hey, you, you know,

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you should go learn how to make passive

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income so you can be super rich. Right?

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Again, he didn't say that, but that was

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what I concluded.

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And that's why, you know, I I I

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say this for two reasons. One, so you

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can honor some of those life experiences that

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happened to you, the things that you might

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not consider trauma that actually changed the way

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you thought because of the conclusion that you

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drew.

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This could be as simple as I I

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think a a a more simple story that

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I always tell is I had these three,

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these these two best friends. It was the

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three of us. And, one summer, they decided

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to just unfriend me out of nowhere. They

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didn't return my calls. They started hanging out

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without me and not inviting me. You know,

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and I can't remember what I concluded, but

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I felt I felt very rejected. I felt

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unwanted. That was the second time that that

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had happened.

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Right? So now I was thinking something was

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wrong. People people don't wanna be friends with

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me. Right? And there's some sort of reason

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for that. I'm I'm not cool enough. I'm

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not funny enough.

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Again, I I grew I I we were

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poor and a bunch of rich people built

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around us, so I accident I accidentally

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grew up in a very wealthy neighborhood. So

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a lot of the the stories that I

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told myself was I'm not rich enough. My

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clothes aren't nice enough. Right? I'm not cool

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enough. My my parents don't drop me off

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in a nice enough car.

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My our house is too small and too

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poor. Right? And so,

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you know, I I I grew up I

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I had an LDS family, and we were

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I was always getting made fun of for

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the religion that my parents had chosen. So

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I hated the the Mormon church because, again,

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you know, everyone's,

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making fun of me and calling me names.

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So my point of all of, saying some

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of these examples is

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the,

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the conclusion that you come to

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has has consequences. Right? As you can hear

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some of my stories, I became obsessed with

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money. Right? I thought money was gonna be

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the answer. I thought it was gonna solve

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all my problems. Right? I thought money and

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being able

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to get girls was gonna be the answer.

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And, look what happened to me. Right? It

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created all the problems and nearly destroyed my

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marriage right now with my soulmate. Right? So,

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you know, the the I wanna say one

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more quick story for people kinda wrestling with

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what's childhood trauma. I had a perfect childhood.

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Oh my gosh. I cannot tell you how

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many times I've had people tell me they

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had a perfect childhood.

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Again, this isn't just about your parents. You

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know, the story I'm about to tell you

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is about kids. Right? This there was a

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guy at one at one of my retreats,

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and he was just sitting there. We have

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this little exercise that we do to kind

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of, identify some of the traumatic things that

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happened in your life, and his was blank.

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And he was just saying, oh, I had

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a great childhood. Nothing nothing nothing really happened

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to me before I was 10 years old.

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And then as we're kinda sharing stories, he

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raises his hand. He's like, actually, hey. I

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remembered something.

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He said, hey. There was this older kid,

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and he kept he kept messing up my

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hair and and picking on me and bullying

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me. And and this next day, I I

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I I didn't wanna take it anymore. I

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wasn't gonna let him. And,

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so he spent time sharpening a little piece

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of metal and he hid it in his

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mouth.

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He hid it in his mouth because he

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knew that bully was gonna come and he

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was gonna pull this little thing out of

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his mouth and he was gonna slice him.

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And he did it. And then the bully,

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you know, ran off and never bullied him

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again. Right? But but this is a kid

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who told me I I had a perfect

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childhood.

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Tell you you told me this. Like,

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is sharpening

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a blade and hiding it in your knife

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a normal childhood? Right? Going to school feeling

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like you need to bring a sharpened piece

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of metal to defend yourself. I mean, imagine

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imagine what it's like to be that kid

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wondering when you're gonna get bullied, who's gonna

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bully you, Right? To feel like you to

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to feel like you're justified in slicing this

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kid with a sharp sharpened blade.

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That's an example. Like, you know, I I

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think it's really hard to remember life before

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we were 10, but at the same time,

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those are the most formative years. So I

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I hope this I hope this I I

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know this podcast was a little scattered,

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but it was my best efforts to really

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just kinda shine light on what trauma is.

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You know, trauma can be things that look

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really, really good. Trauma can can be really,

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really bad things. It can be anything in

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between. But remember the definition. Right? It's anything

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that somebody or someone or something's gonna do

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to you

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where you're gonna draw some sort of conclusion

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that you decide to become someone else besides

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who you were born to be. And every

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time I see somebody do this, every time

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something bad happens,

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It might be,

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sex or porn addiction. It might be horrible

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money habits. It might be poor self esteem.

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It might be poor body image. But, you

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know, some problem, you know, ruined marriages,

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poor parenting, blah blah blah. Some problem is

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gonna happen when you are off course.

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Something bad will happen.

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So, again, explore your traumas because sometimes you

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don't even know you're off course until you

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really start tracing back into life. Why do

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I believe what I believe and what events

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in my life made that happen? And that's

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when you really start to wonder, how much

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of the person I'm supposed to become am

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I today?

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