It’s a common assumption… “Roland, don’t you think that these men need to hang out with men who are NOT like them? Don’t you think this adds to their ego and narcissistic traits?”
No… I strongly disagree.
In fact, the fastest way for them to get over their superiority complex, grandiosity, and narcissistic traits is to be around men who are struggling in the same way.
Yes, these traits are largely responsible for their sex addiction. Therefore, they need to be a HUGE focus in their recovery.
This episode discusses why it’s essential to prioritize addressing these unwanted traits at the top of your recovery list.
If you are a high-achiever looking for a recovery group full of like-minded men, visit our website to apply: www.successfuladdict.com
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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,679 I get why they would assume that these 2 00:00:01,679 --> 00:00:03,839 are a bunch of just narcissistic men with 3 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:06,639 over inflated egos and I I'm not gonna 4 00:00:06,639 --> 00:00:07,540 say you're wrong. 5 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,980 You are listening to the sex addiction podcast 6 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,314 for high achievers, business professionals, executives, and entrepreneurs. 7 00:00:14,615 --> 00:00:17,175 This podcast is designed to apply sobriety and 8 00:00:17,175 --> 00:00:18,154 recovery principles 9 00:00:18,535 --> 00:00:21,195 specifically to the mindset of the high achiever. 10 00:00:21,494 --> 00:00:23,814 I'm your host, Roland Cochran, founder of The 11 00:00:23,814 --> 00:00:26,294 Successful Addict, a recovery group for high achieving 12 00:00:26,294 --> 00:00:28,839 men struggling with sex and porn addiction. For 13 00:00:28,839 --> 00:00:31,079 more information about joining our group or attending 14 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:34,140 our next retreat, visit successful addict dot com. 15 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,299 And now, enjoy the rest of the episode. 16 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:39,879 Are my groups full of a bunch of 17 00:00:39,879 --> 00:00:40,379 narcissists? 18 00:00:41,905 --> 00:00:44,704 It is a common assumption. Right? Because all 19 00:00:44,704 --> 00:00:46,564 of my groups are full of high achieving 20 00:00:46,625 --> 00:00:49,765 entrepreneurial men, lawyers, doctors, surgeons, sales professionals, 21 00:00:50,144 --> 00:00:52,884 you know, business owners of different kinds. 22 00:00:53,744 --> 00:00:55,619 You know, it's it's it's I I get 23 00:00:55,619 --> 00:00:57,299 why they would assume that these are a 24 00:00:57,299 --> 00:01:00,439 bunch of just narcissistic men with overinflated egos. 25 00:01:00,659 --> 00:01:00,979 And, 26 00:01:02,259 --> 00:01:04,579 I I'm not gonna say you're wrong. I'll 27 00:01:04,579 --> 00:01:05,799 be the first to admit, 28 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:07,560 do do, 29 00:01:08,019 --> 00:01:10,760 successful men in in America, especially, 30 00:01:11,644 --> 00:01:14,444 you know, do they have narcissistic traits? Absolutely. 31 00:01:14,444 --> 00:01:14,944 Absolutely. 32 00:01:15,484 --> 00:01:17,825 Have they grown to be pretty darn entitled? 33 00:01:18,364 --> 00:01:20,125 Yes. They have. I'm not gonna say that 34 00:01:20,125 --> 00:01:20,864 they haven't. 35 00:01:21,325 --> 00:01:23,025 You know, and along with that grandiosity, 36 00:01:23,644 --> 00:01:25,905 you know, you know, extremely egoic behaviors, 37 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,799 You know, no no question about it. So 38 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:30,200 I'm so I I can see why people 39 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,400 would assume that about my my groups. Right? 40 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,939 And then for the betrayed partners, 41 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,640 I could see you can see why they 42 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,000 would be like, why do I want this 43 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,759 guy to go hang around a bunch of 44 00:01:40,759 --> 00:01:42,965 guys with these with these traits, these personality 45 00:01:43,025 --> 00:01:45,825 traits? Well well, here's why, though. It's actually 46 00:01:45,825 --> 00:01:47,504 the opposite of what you would think. Right? 47 00:01:47,504 --> 00:01:49,284 I think the assumption is that, 48 00:01:49,984 --> 00:01:52,245 being around these men is going to, 49 00:01:53,665 --> 00:01:55,525 going to promote more, 50 00:01:56,224 --> 00:01:58,260 narcissistic traits and use of these traits. It's 51 00:01:58,260 --> 00:01:59,799 gonna promote more grandiosity, 52 00:02:00,180 --> 00:02:03,700 more superiority complexes, more, hey. We're special. We're 53 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:06,099 entitled. We're above the rules. Right? You know, 54 00:02:06,099 --> 00:02:08,740 I it's actually the opposite though. The the 55 00:02:08,740 --> 00:02:10,819 reason I put these groups together literally, the 56 00:02:10,819 --> 00:02:12,465 entire reason I put these groups together 57 00:02:13,425 --> 00:02:16,084 was to actually combat those things. 58 00:02:16,465 --> 00:02:18,544 Now hear me out. We let so let's 59 00:02:18,544 --> 00:02:20,465 say you go to a group, that's open 60 00:02:20,465 --> 00:02:22,384 to the general population. Right? And it's not 61 00:02:22,384 --> 00:02:25,020 specific to high achieving men. So now here 62 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:27,139 you are, and everyone is talking about their 63 00:02:27,139 --> 00:02:28,120 addiction stories, 64 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:31,060 their personality flaws, and the different, you know, 65 00:02:31,060 --> 00:02:33,060 belief systems that they've developed that needs to 66 00:02:33,060 --> 00:02:33,879 change. Right? 67 00:02:34,419 --> 00:02:36,020 But what if none of it has to 68 00:02:36,020 --> 00:02:38,500 do with things that you deal with as 69 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:40,439 a high achieving man in America? 70 00:02:41,344 --> 00:02:43,264 Is that actually beneficial? You know? So it's 71 00:02:43,264 --> 00:02:45,584 it's this paradox of where, you know, I 72 00:02:45,584 --> 00:02:47,344 think everyone says, like, oh, I don't want 73 00:02:47,344 --> 00:02:49,425 my husband in that environment around men like 74 00:02:49,425 --> 00:02:51,185 that because it's gonna make their problems worse. 75 00:02:51,185 --> 00:02:52,625 It it it could not be further from 76 00:02:52,625 --> 00:02:54,259 the truth. It could not be further from 77 00:02:54,259 --> 00:02:55,939 the truth. It is actually the exact opposite. 78 00:02:55,939 --> 00:02:57,699 I would say if guys are going into 79 00:02:57,699 --> 00:02:58,360 a room 80 00:02:58,659 --> 00:03:00,840 where all the other men in that room 81 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:03,479 are not, you know, they don't struggle with, 82 00:03:04,259 --> 00:03:06,580 entitlement, you know, successful male entitlement. They don't 83 00:03:06,580 --> 00:03:08,885 struggle with the sense of superiority and this 84 00:03:08,885 --> 00:03:10,504 desire to be the best. 85 00:03:11,444 --> 00:03:13,944 They they aren't, you know, really, 86 00:03:14,324 --> 00:03:17,205 confident, outgoing, and and trying to constantly use 87 00:03:17,205 --> 00:03:18,185 kind of these egoic 88 00:03:18,564 --> 00:03:20,104 pieces of their success 89 00:03:20,485 --> 00:03:22,284 for self gain. Right? If you're not if 90 00:03:22,284 --> 00:03:23,685 if, if the other guys in the room 91 00:03:23,685 --> 00:03:25,460 are not struggling in the same way that 92 00:03:25,460 --> 00:03:27,400 you're struggling with your thought processes, 93 00:03:28,099 --> 00:03:30,500 it actually I would say you're creating more 94 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:32,099 blind spots. You know, if no if there's 95 00:03:32,099 --> 00:03:34,099 no other, you know, successful guy in the 96 00:03:34,099 --> 00:03:36,099 room who operates and has a compuls you 97 00:03:36,099 --> 00:03:38,280 know, sexual compulsivity like you, 98 00:03:39,134 --> 00:03:41,055 I would say there's blind spots. You you 99 00:03:41,055 --> 00:03:42,894 you won't talk about it nearly as much 100 00:03:42,894 --> 00:03:44,894 as you probably should. Because I do. I 101 00:03:44,974 --> 00:03:47,294 it it's funny. The the very traits, you 102 00:03:47,294 --> 00:03:48,034 know, grandiosity, 103 00:03:48,334 --> 00:03:48,834 entitlement, 104 00:03:49,454 --> 00:03:51,810 the the narcissistic traits, the desire to be 105 00:03:51,969 --> 00:03:52,469 superior 106 00:03:52,770 --> 00:03:54,949 superior in the superiority complex. Right? 107 00:03:55,489 --> 00:03:57,889 This constant thirst for for novelty and and, 108 00:03:57,889 --> 00:03:59,889 you know, boredom is our enemy. Right? All 109 00:03:59,889 --> 00:04:02,449 of these traits, definitely, without without question, I'll 110 00:04:02,449 --> 00:04:03,590 be the first to admit 111 00:04:03,889 --> 00:04:05,409 have promoted and, 112 00:04:06,555 --> 00:04:09,594 caused made our sexually compulsive behaviors worse. No 113 00:04:09,594 --> 00:04:12,335 question about it. No question about it. And 114 00:04:12,715 --> 00:04:14,314 those are the very things that need to 115 00:04:14,314 --> 00:04:15,055 be discussed. 116 00:04:15,514 --> 00:04:17,754 So my point is it's it's interesting. Right? 117 00:04:17,754 --> 00:04:19,750 You you the assumption, I think, is like, 118 00:04:19,750 --> 00:04:21,509 oh, it's a bunch of just rich dudes 119 00:04:21,509 --> 00:04:23,850 hanging out, who don't really wanna change. 120 00:04:24,470 --> 00:04:27,670 I I can't that there is nothing further 121 00:04:27,670 --> 00:04:28,490 from the truth. 122 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:30,889 It is a yes. They are a successful 123 00:04:30,949 --> 00:04:32,949 net. And, yes, have they done well for 124 00:04:32,949 --> 00:04:34,009 themselves financially? 125 00:04:34,574 --> 00:04:37,794 Sure. But do we want to keep being 126 00:04:37,854 --> 00:04:38,595 this way? 127 00:04:39,134 --> 00:04:40,995 Entitled? You kidding me? No. 128 00:04:41,454 --> 00:04:43,375 Entitled, I I that's the last thing I 129 00:04:43,375 --> 00:04:46,350 wanna be. Narcissistic? You bet that's even worse. 130 00:04:47,230 --> 00:04:50,029 Superior? Right? That I walk into every room 131 00:04:50,029 --> 00:04:51,949 and, like, for decades, I've been trying to 132 00:04:51,949 --> 00:04:53,230 be better than other men, and now I 133 00:04:53,230 --> 00:04:55,389 realize that that's actually severed my ability to 134 00:04:55,389 --> 00:04:58,270 connect and be equal with others. Right? This 135 00:04:58,270 --> 00:04:59,844 this, you know, what kind of guy thinks 136 00:04:59,844 --> 00:05:01,764 he's above the rules? What are you, freaking 137 00:05:01,764 --> 00:05:03,125 10 years old? I mean, these are these 138 00:05:03,125 --> 00:05:05,444 are not good traits to have. And so, 139 00:05:06,084 --> 00:05:08,084 no. In no way are my groups full 140 00:05:08,084 --> 00:05:09,764 of men trying to hang on to these 141 00:05:09,764 --> 00:05:11,685 traits. It is it is the exact opposite. 142 00:05:11,685 --> 00:05:12,449 I would say 143 00:05:13,009 --> 00:05:14,069 daily, weekly, 144 00:05:14,449 --> 00:05:15,590 and at the intensives, 145 00:05:16,129 --> 00:05:18,930 a huge focus of the discussion is we 146 00:05:18,930 --> 00:05:20,449 gotta get this crap out of our life. 147 00:05:20,449 --> 00:05:22,770 We can't walk around trying to be better 148 00:05:22,770 --> 00:05:25,110 than others and striving to be superior. 149 00:05:25,524 --> 00:05:27,285 Right? This whole thing that, oh, we've we've 150 00:05:27,285 --> 00:05:29,444 worked hard and we've accomplished, so now, you 151 00:05:29,444 --> 00:05:31,444 know, we're entitled to these certain things. I 152 00:05:31,444 --> 00:05:33,524 mean, come on. You know, it's childish. It's 153 00:05:33,524 --> 00:05:36,164 this childish behavior. So my the reason I 154 00:05:36,164 --> 00:05:38,004 record this is it is a common it 155 00:05:38,004 --> 00:05:40,164 is a very common question that I get 156 00:05:40,164 --> 00:05:40,664 from, 157 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,439 you know, therapists and betrayed partners. Like, why 158 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:47,000 why a group for successful men? And here's 159 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:47,900 the reason why. 160 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:49,660 Two reasons. One, 161 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,080 their compulsivity is entirely different. It it is 162 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,980 very much driven through this need for attention, 163 00:05:56,305 --> 00:05:57,285 respect, admiration, 164 00:05:57,664 --> 00:05:58,164 superiority. 165 00:05:58,865 --> 00:06:01,104 Again, it's this it's it's feeding, you know, 166 00:06:01,104 --> 00:06:03,745 it's feeding that grandiosity. So in in in 167 00:06:03,745 --> 00:06:06,305 many ways, this program, you know, you know, 168 00:06:06,305 --> 00:06:08,579 yes, it's a it's a sex addiction program, 169 00:06:08,819 --> 00:06:10,979 but the driver from the sex addiction is 170 00:06:10,979 --> 00:06:13,560 from this grandiose superiority complex 171 00:06:14,019 --> 00:06:16,500 male entitlement thing. It really is. That's the 172 00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:19,539 cause. So, so, yes, are we filling the 173 00:06:19,539 --> 00:06:22,415 groom room with men struggling with that very 174 00:06:22,415 --> 00:06:24,435 same process addiction? Yes. Intentionally. 175 00:06:25,055 --> 00:06:27,134 We are intentionally doing that to increase the 176 00:06:27,134 --> 00:06:29,294 likelihood that we are actually addressing the very 177 00:06:29,294 --> 00:06:31,394 issues that men like this are struggling with. 178 00:06:31,535 --> 00:06:33,060 And the goal isn't to keep 179 00:06:33,379 --> 00:06:35,540 being this way. You know, we're we're we're 180 00:06:35,540 --> 00:06:37,779 not trying to create this, like, special group 181 00:06:37,779 --> 00:06:39,939 where we're better than other men's men in 182 00:06:39,939 --> 00:06:42,019 addiction. That is not the case at all. 183 00:06:42,019 --> 00:06:44,579 I'm trying to create an environment where men 184 00:06:44,579 --> 00:06:46,500 can connect with other men who have the 185 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:47,800 same process addiction. 186 00:06:48,264 --> 00:06:50,425 Right? Who who are who are engaging in 187 00:06:50,425 --> 00:06:53,064 the exact same unwanted brain practices. Right? Whereas 188 00:06:53,064 --> 00:06:54,504 when they go to twelve step and the 189 00:06:54,504 --> 00:06:56,104 room's full of guys who just have a 190 00:06:56,104 --> 00:06:58,584 very different sex addiction than them, how connecting 191 00:06:58,584 --> 00:07:00,745 is that? How much are we actually having 192 00:07:00,745 --> 00:07:02,584 the conversations that we need to have to 193 00:07:02,584 --> 00:07:04,680 get over some of these beliefs that are 194 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,360 actually driving all this behavior in the first 195 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,080 place? So again, is are my groups full 196 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,379 of narcissists, grandiose men, entitled men? Sure. 197 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,680 You could say that. And I wouldn't think 198 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:15,339 it's necessarily 199 00:07:15,985 --> 00:07:17,824 false. But I would say, do we are 200 00:07:17,824 --> 00:07:19,745 we proud of becoming that way? Are we 201 00:07:19,745 --> 00:07:21,345 born that way? Do we wanna stay that 202 00:07:21,345 --> 00:07:23,985 way? No. There's not a single guy in 203 00:07:23,985 --> 00:07:25,125 any one of my groups 204 00:07:25,504 --> 00:07:28,064 who likes those traits and doesn't recognize that 205 00:07:28,064 --> 00:07:30,305 it has almost destroyed their entire life and 206 00:07:30,305 --> 00:07:32,970 what looks like and could destroy their family 207 00:07:32,970 --> 00:07:35,230 and completely ruin their what their their wife's, 208 00:07:35,370 --> 00:07:36,889 you know, sense of self and sense of 209 00:07:36,889 --> 00:07:39,449 future and past. Right? We we we see 210 00:07:39,449 --> 00:07:41,370 the ugliness of these traits and they are 211 00:07:41,370 --> 00:07:44,170 they are unattractive traits. And they're personally frankly, 212 00:07:44,170 --> 00:07:45,930 just traits that we never really wanted to 213 00:07:45,930 --> 00:07:47,824 have in the first place. So in no 214 00:07:47,824 --> 00:07:49,745 way are we trying to keep any of 215 00:07:49,745 --> 00:07:52,305 this superiority. You know, the only reason we 216 00:07:52,305 --> 00:07:53,985 are gathering together is because we have a 217 00:07:53,985 --> 00:07:55,665 lot in common, and it's just easier to 218 00:07:55,665 --> 00:07:57,585 connect and easier to have, you know, really 219 00:07:57,585 --> 00:07:58,564 insightful discussions 220 00:07:58,944 --> 00:08:01,125 around our very specific process addiction. 221 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:03,040 In no way is it's because we think 222 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,980 we're better than other people. It's not like 223 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,879 a a rich man's club. That that is 224 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:08,639 not what this is. It is a it 225 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:11,520 is a place together around, having a very 226 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,319 similar process addiction that we are all pursuing 227 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:16,100 so that we can change it faster. 228 00:08:17,524 --> 00:08:19,685 Thanks for listening to this episode. 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